The Story of Lollapalooza’: Interview

Some concepts are outlandish sufficient to vary every part. That is particularly the case for one of many world’s most well-known and culturally impactful musical festivals, Lollapalooza, birthed in 1991 as a farewell for Jane’s Dependancy frontman Perry Farrell. The pageant shortly turned a touring showcase of ragtag bands and artists starting from alt-rock, punk, metallic and hip-hop that managed to outline a technology steeped in radical counterculture.

Paramount+’s three-part documentary, Lolla: The Story of Lollapalooza, takes an in-depth take a look at the pageant’s journey by means of three a long time. By a chief interview with Farrell, archival footage and subsequent interviews with members from 9 Inch Nails, Residing Shade, L7, Metallica, Ice-T and different legendary musical pioneers, the documentary highlights how Lollapalooza aimed to push the boundaries of the choice music scene whereas additionally battling the challenges of succumbing to the pressures of fame solely to evolve into what it’s at the moment, a three-day pageant based mostly in Chicago’s Grant Park. 

Right here, director Michael John Warren talks to Deadline concerning the technique of gathering archival footage, not shying away from the unconventional racial variety of the time and capturing Farrell’s inspirational childlike affect.

DEADLINE: How did you get entangled with the Lollapalooza documentary? 

MICHAEL JOHN WARREN: That is by far probably the most private factor I’ve ever made. I used to be on the first Lollapalooza at 17 years outdated. They got here to my hometown of Mansfield, Massachusetts, and it actually spoke to me. We have been little punk rock youngsters who simply hated firms. We hated pop music. We hated all that shiny bullsh*t. We have been offended by it, actually, and Lollapalooza got here in with all this tremendous various and actually progressive and numerous attention-grabbing conversations. It actually was an eye-opening second for me. I hadn’t seen the world but as a result of I used to be simply residing, caught in suburbia.

Then, numerous my life occurred and this challenge got here round. It nearly sounds not possible. That’s why I did it. I used to be like, “That’s such a giant thought,” 30 years of what I think about probably the most influential music pageant of all time. When the thought got here round, I used to be like, “That sounds actually exhausting, taking 30 years of this zeitgeisty, cultural-changing, music-industry-changing factor,” and that’s why I did it as a result of, at this stage of my profession, I’m actually simply searching for challenges, and I used to be like, “That sounds actually difficult.” It was actually private for me, and it seemed like a fantastic problem. I’m very glad I did it.

DEADLINE: Your profession is sort of different, however I do know you have got extra singular topics in there, like Jay-Z, Drake and Nicki Minaj, together with some Broadway stuff as nicely. Was there a specific problem in transitioning to specializing in the broader pageant at massive? 

WARREN: There’s some true-crime components of the American judicial system, and I get numerous crucial popularity of my sports activities work as nicely. However, no, there’s no matter too large. Frankly, there’s nothing larger and no story extra advanced than the Meek Mill story and what occurred to him in Philadelphia as a younger man getting caught within the judicial system. That timeline that we constructed once we have been telling that story, it went throughout the partitions of the workplace. It was so advanced with all of the stuff that occurred to him in his life. When you do one thing that advanced, there’s nothing extra advanced than what occurred to him. 

The true problem is telling a narrative about an entity, Lollapalooza. It’s actually exhausting to make that emotionally participating as a result of the way in which storytellers interact their audiences is by attaching the story to an individual. I at all times knew this was Perry Farrell’s story, and so, while you watch the collection, he’s consistently coming again in. He didn’t simply discovered it. He’s nonetheless concerned with it at the moment. He fell out of affection with it. It died. It got here again. It died once more. He’s going by means of all of the ups and downs with it, and so we rooted the story in Perry. One, as a result of it’s his story, however two, as a result of we knew that was the way in which to maintain you emotionally concerned as an viewers, as a result of telling a narrative a couple of pageant or a model or no matter it’s that normally doesn’t work very nicely.

DEADLINE: This can be a three-part documentary. Did you ever think about doing a characteristic? Or maybe greater than three components? How did you resolve to construction the fabric? There may be a lot materials that you possibly can additional discover by itself, particularly all of the stuff about Ice-T and his band Physique Depend. 

WARREN: It was at all times going to be a collection as a result of it’s simply that large of a narrative. It might have been a characteristic additionally, however it might’ve been rushed. In the event you have been going to do a characteristic on this, you’d have simply achieved the yr 1991. That might have been a characteristic.  However there’s no means you possibly can have achieved 30 years of historical past as a characteristic. We’ve acquired to speak about Ice-T. We’ve got to as a result of, anybody who hasn’t seen this collection but, go watch it and prepare for some issues that solely Ice-T can say and do throughout that interview. As I used to be doing that interview, I used to be like, “I do want 10 episodes,” as a result of every part popping out of his mouth has to enter the present.

It isn’t longer as a result of we needed to verify it was well-paced. I believe the fashionable viewers needs issues which are well-paced. We additionally needed to be sure that each second of it was “fringe of your seat,” and there’s additionally simply the urge for food of Hollywood. There’s not numerous large, sprawling issues taking place proper now. And [the doc] is all of these issues. I really suppose it sits very well the place it’s at. I do suppose there may very well be a 10-hour model of it as a result of, for me, I’m a music fan, nerd, former musician, and all of these issues. Nonetheless, there’s a model of this the place you sit down for an entire track from 1992 Pearl Jam otherwise you sit down with Girl Gaga as she’s headlining or not even headlining. You actually sit down with them and expertise the efficiency in a really luxurious means as a live performance movie.

I do live performance movies as nicely. There’s a part of me that’s like, “Oh, can we simply sit there with Rage In opposition to the Machine for 20 minutes?” There’s that model the place you try this and also you go deeper into every band, however I believe what I really like most concerning the collection is it actually offers with the cultural context across the music, particularly within the early components of the collection. It’s a music story, nevertheless it’s really a cultural story. It’s a couple of cultural revolution. The start of the collection is about Gen X’s cultural revolution and the way we rejected every part that was earlier than us and simply insisted on constructing our personal factor. Then it goes on to only preserve speaking about youth tradition by means of the prism of Lollapalooza, and it actually comes all the way in which as much as current day. It ends in India towards the top of the collection as a result of that’s what’s taking place at the moment. 

Perry’s mission now could be he is aware of he can’t give an American viewers the expertise he gave me once I was 17 as a result of American audiences are spoiled. Due to Lollapalooza, festivals turned an enormous factor. They’re not as large as they have been, say, late ’90s, however they’re nonetheless large. He is aware of he can’t blow anybody’s thoughts in America actually anymore as a result of they’ve the opposite festivals on the market. If he goes to India, they’d by no means seen something like that a few years in the past when he first touched down there with Lollapalooza, and he was similar to, “Right here,” they usually have been all like, “That is unbelievable. We’ve examine this. We’ve seen this, and we’re experiencing it.” Perry loves tradition and he actually respects totally different cultures. He makes certain to usher in folks from India, or from the native tradition of wherever he’s going globally. It’s good enterprise as nicely. He’s actually into exhibiting folks one thing they haven’t seen earlier than. 

DEADLINE: How lengthy did it take to place collectively the documentary and all of the archival footage? 

WARREN: I believe I first began engaged on this three and a half, 4 years in the past most likely. There have been some folks. My associates at FunMeter have been engaged on this even earlier than I acquired it cooking. This was a really lengthy course of. It’s a really large story. There’s numerous very well-known musicians who needed to conform to be interviewed, clear their music. We went by means of not less than 20,000, possibly 30,000 hours of archival footage and needed to undergo that. This can be a well-documented music pageant for 30-something years.

At this level, while you go to Lollapalooza, there’s 10 TV vans filming totally different levels. There’s a lot to undergo, and we needed so as to add that cultural stuff, so we needed to speak concerning the Reagan administration. We needed to speak about Rock the Vote. We needed to speak about all of the issues which are in there. It was not less than half a decade within the making with out query.

DEADLINE: What was the throughline or theme of the documentary that you simply needed to get throughout to audiences? 

WARREN: That is the weird story of Perry Farrell’s love affair with one thing, his personal monster that he creates out of affection and nearly by chance after which it turns into so large that he finally ends up hating it, after which it simply falls over on its self as a result of it’s so large and he’s heartbroken. Then he revives it and brings it again to life, after which he turns into a accountable artist the place he’s like, “OK, I’ve acquired it alive once more now. How do I preserve it alive perpetually now?” That’s actually what the Chicago a part of that story is about. It’s how do I distill and crystallize the issues that make this vessel particular and make it repeatable so, if I’m not there, they’ve the formulation?

That’s what he’s achieved in Chicago at this level. It’s a narrative of codependency. I don’t know if Perry would make it with out Lollapalooza, and I’m additionally undecided Lollapalooza would make it with out Perry. It’s a wierd story a couple of man who creates one thing after which turns into hooked on it, and it’s hooked on him, and the way it spans throughout three a long time of American tradition and, now, international tradition.

DEADLINE: The best factor to me is that it wasn’t nearly passively watching a music documentary. I realized a lot. I had no thought Lollapalooza was born out of the ending of Jane’s Dependancy. And I had no concept that Grant Park had ceased live shows because the riot on the Sly and the Household Stone’s present in 1970, till Lollapalooza approached them in 2005. And now it’s been there a number of occasions. 

WARREN: That’s a part of the rationale why there weren’t any festivals in America for a very long time due to Altamont, that well-known Rolling Stones live performance the place the Hells Angels have been safety and Meredith Hunter acquired stabbed. That’s why festivals weren’t actually taking place for many years earlier than Lollapalooza. Festivals generally is a harmful enterprise. I believe everyone knows that.

After I touched on Lollapalooza in ’21, it was the biggest gathering on North American soil because the pandemic had began, actually. They have been pioneering all these security protocols which turned commonplace proper after they proved that it may very well be achieved. After I touched down there, I noticed the infrastructure of what occurred to Grant Park, the cops, the fireplace division, the water, they’re watching everybody for like, “Do they want water at Zone 17-B?” actually all the way down to the sq. footage. They have been watching. They have been ensuring everybody was protected and every part was beneath management. They take it very significantly as a result of it’s a giant deal. I don’t need to get too deep, however you actually acquired to maintain the folks protected, they usually’re superb at that. Again within the day, in 1991, it wasn’t actually a factor, and you bought Gibby Haynes from the Butthole Surfers firing a shotgun over the group. That’s how they grew. They thought that was OK to do in ’91, and now they’re like, “Have they got water in Zone B-12 and B-17?”

DEADLINE: Proper, and then you definitely had Rage In opposition to the Machine additionally exhibiting their genitals in protest as nicely. 

WARREN: Proper, after which nearly inflicting a riot themselves. Rage In opposition to the Machine, that’s a band that’s so highly effective. I imply the lyrics, “F*ck you. I gained’t do what you inform me.” That’s a riot within the can proper there. They needed to handle all that stuff. They need to let the youth specific their anger, however how do you try this in a means that’s accountable? It’s nice to specific your self, however you’ll be able to’t harm folks while you try this, and they also’ve actually mastered that. It’s attention-grabbing.

DEADLINE: Did any analysis or interview notably shock you when creating this documentary? I’m nonetheless reeling from studying about Ice-T and Perry’s efficiency of Sly and the Household Stone’s “Don’t Name Me N—, Whitey” and his contextualization of it three a long time later. 

WARREN: I knew we have been going to get into “Don’t Name Me” as a result of I noticed that reside once I was 17. At the moment, I didn’t even know you possibly can say the N-word on stage. I actually didn’t suppose it was authorized to do this. My mouth was open. I couldn’t imagine it. I used to be actually ready for the cops to close the entire day down. I’d been ready for that every one day as a result of 9 Inch Nails was incendiary, and that complete day was actually on the sting, after which they arrive out and do “Don’t Name Me,” and I’m like, “That is achieved. It’s over. The present is finished.” When it didn’t get shut down, I used to be certain the cops have been being held at bay in some way simply off within the distance. As a result of I used to be so younger again then, I wasn’t certain of the intention of all of that on the time. I’ve studied race quite a bit since then, and I actually needed to inform that story as a result of I used to be like, “I couldn’t imagine it occurred.” I believe fashionable audiences are going to be completely shocked at first, however I additionally suppose it’s an attention-grabbing factor to speak about as a result of we’re very delicate proper now. You’ve acquired to clear the air generally. 

So I believed, “If we’re going to have a dialog about how to do this, I’m fairly certain Perry Farrell and Ice-T are the 2 individuals who may lead us by means of utilizing that efficiency as a focusing component,” so I needed to get Ice-T as a result of Perry can say what Perry says, however you want Ice-T to have that accountability placed on tv in 2024. I wasn’t actually certain what he was going to say. I requested him straight, “Was it only for shock worth?” He was like, “No. We needed to show that racism was silly.” He’s like, “I’m not the sort of one who might be like, ‘Love your mom. Hug your kids.’ I acquired to hit you with the shock worth after which contextualize it.”

I believed that was vital as a result of we’re having a tough time talking to one another as a rustic proper now, and I believed that was an excellent instance to place on the market to see: that is how these two did it. They did it in a reasonably accountable means. Ice-T isn’t going to do a rattling factor Ice-T doesn’t need to do. I believed that is perhaps a useful software for us. We don’t have to only not say all of the issues, and we don’t should scream at one another about something additionally. There’s a means the place we are able to get again to “we don’t should agree on every part,” or we are able to get to these sensitive subjects if we need to so long as we do it responsibly.

I believe we did a very good job of contextualizing that efficiency and ensuring we understood what was taking place, why it was taking place, and the way they really feel about it 30 years later. I wasn’t certain they have been going to nonetheless personal it, they usually have been like, “No. We’re each actually happy with that.” I’m like, “OK, nice,” and now it’s on the market for the world. I believe there’s numerous worth there. I believe we might study one thing from what they have been making an attempt to do again in ’91 at the moment.

DEADLINE: Many on-line critiques speak about how refreshing it’s that the Lollapalooza documentary doesn’t whitewash the historical past of how revolutionary the pageant was. And I’m curious as to the way you managed to deal with that. Absolutely, it might have been really easy to only keep on the floor. 

WARREN: I’ve learn the articles and am glad they’re saying that. But in addition, it’s like, have you ever seen any of my different work? After all we’re going to speak about that, however not simply because I need to put race into every part I make, as a result of I don’t. However it was legitimately an vital matter to speak about for that present. I used to be in Mansfield, Massachusetts, in 1991. It was very, very, very white again then. I haven’t been again in a very long time. So, I don’t know what it’s like now. However the probabilities of Ice-T coming to my hometown and doing all of these songs, like “Cop Killer,” by the way in which, with out Lollapalooza, was not possible. It wasn’t going to occur. I knew we needed to speak about that as a result of it was like Perry was introducing hip-hop tradition to suburban America at that time. Hip-hop was exploding. We knew about all that stuff, however Ice-T wasn’t going to come back to Mansfield, Massachusetts, with out Lollapalooza, and so it was actually vital to speak about that. If you get into the “Cop Killer” dialog within the documentary, it’s attention-grabbing as a result of that’s much more related than the “Don’t Name Me” dialog.

Rodney King had occurred proper round that point. We have been mortified that that was occurring, after which right here comes “Cop Killer.” It’s like a Molotov cocktail of a track. He simply chucks it on the market, and also you’re like, “Holy sh*t.” We speak about race quite a bit in that collection as a result of that’s one of many main issues Lollapalooza was doing. They knew that the race dialog needed to preserve going. It didn’t finish, clearly, with the Civil Rights period. We’ve got to maintain going. We’re nonetheless going now. We leaned into it, nevertheless it was additionally proper there. It was like, after all, we’re going to speak about these issues.

DEADLINE: What was one thing attention-grabbing that you simply needed to make the lower so unhealthy, however regardless of how exhausting you tried, you needed to let it go? 

WARREN: That’s powerful as a result of numerous occasions if you find yourself making an attempt to get one thing all the way down to time, the issues that go are the issues that aren’t obligatory, however you actually do love them as a result of there’s a joke or a bit apart that isn’t basic to the construction. You’ll be able to’t let the construction disintegrate while you come down at time, and so little jokes right here and there. There was numerous footage. Perry’s girlfriend on the time, in ’91, had a camcorder together with her. She’s backstage. She’s in all of the rooms. She’s there. That’s the place all that Ice-T going by means of the viewers footage comes from, and so there was extra stuff. There’s extra Ice-T out within the viewers, which is rather like, “Let’s simply put that uncooked up there as a result of there’s numerous them.”

However there was numerous cool little gems in there that needed to come out for time. Like I discussed earlier, there’s a model of the present that’s 10 hours lengthy, and we lean into these performances as a result of a few of these performances are completely jaw-dropping and, as a substitute, you get a style of the efficiency, nevertheless it’s actually a story-centric collection that’s paced nicely. We’re transferring by means of 30 years in three episodes. It’s aggressively paced. It’s very story-driven extra so than like, “Let’s hang around with Likelihood the Rapper for 2 songs.” We are able to’t actually try this on this. I do suppose that that is the perfect model of the present. The one which got here out is the perfect model. There’s a extra luxurious and music-nerd model of this that would have come out, however I don’t suppose that will have served the overall inhabitants, frankly.

DEADLINE: What have been probably the most difficult components to assemble? 

WARREN: Constructing this episodically. Though the fabric is so wealthy getting episode one all the way down to time, like I stated earlier, there’s a world the place we put out an excellent 90-minute movie simply on that first episode. I’m not even making an attempt to be humorous. Episode 1 is so good. It’s briskly paced, and it’s nice, however there’s an extended model of that the place you dig into much more of that stuff. You let the music play a bit bit extra, and also you give Siouxsie and the Banshees a bit bit extra shine. So, getting that to suit into a good little package deal was difficult. Ensuring we contextualized the cultural aspect of the pageant as nicely, telling the Chicago story, ensuring that we made certain to indicate that every one of Chicago wasn’t actually glad when it first confirmed up. I believe that was an vital half to incorporate. From what I can collect now, Chicago appears to have made their peace and possibly a few of them even love Lollapalooza at this level, however once they first acquired to Chicago, lots of people have been like, “What the hell are you speaking about? You’ll be able to’t let a pageant take over our park.” Chicago is like New York, Boston and Philly. They’re not going to essentially pull their punches. They’re going to say what they’re going to say whether or not you prefer it or not.

I believe simply ensuring we didn’t simply get misplaced within the music and the hype, and we actually needed to contextualize issues was the problem. I really like that Perry is prepared to confess his errors and personal them. He understands he’s not excellent. An vital a part of being an artist, actually, is you get to know that 90% of your concepts are literally unhealthy or flawed. If you may get 10% of excellent concepts on the market as an artist, you’re really killing it. He is aware of that, and so he’s not likely afraid of his failures and he actually does need to personal it. I actually respect that for him.

I’ve to say, as a considerably prolific artist myself, it was actually attention-grabbing interacting with him as a result of he’s older than me and has actually stayed after it. It was actually good to see somebody who continues to be form of a kid, and I imply that in a great way, has that awe and surprise, that means to be open-minded. I used to be like, “OK, you actually might take that every one the way in which to the top of your life when you domesticate that feeling and that sensation and you know the way to maintain your eyes up and your ears on the market,” and he does.

[This interview has been edited for length and clarity]