How the builders of Stalker 2 weathered the Ukraine battle to make their recreation | The DeanBeat

If anybody can say they’ve had challenges making a recreation, the workforce making S.T.A.L.Ok.E.R 2: The Coronary heart of Chornobyl could make that declare. And if it ships the sport to shoppers on November 20, that can be a victory in itself.

But the builders of GSC Recreation World in Kyiv, Ukraine wish to ship this recreation to point out that they by no means gave up on a undertaking that has been moving into full gear for almost seven years and talked about even longer. They haven’t given up despite the fact that the workforce was disrupted when Vladimir Putin launched a full-scale battle on February 24, 2022. Russia had attacked earlier than in 2014, seizing a few territories. However this was a battle for management of all of Ukraine, and the battle continues to at the present time.

Builders needed to depart to go to battle. The electrical energy often went out and it nonetheless goes out in Kyiv, the place the majority of the workforce is. Missiles often rained down on town and so they nonetheless do, with anti-missile rockets intercepting the incoming missiles earlier than they will do hurt.

If and after they ship their recreation, they need to be an inspiration for an trade that has had suffered by way of layoffs, declining gross sales, a pandemic, social media hate, and extra prior to now few years. If GSC Recreation World can get this executed, then others can overcome their hurdles too, identical to these Ukraine athletes who received the medals for his or her nation within the Olympics.

I spoke with Ievgen Grygorovych, CEO of GSC Recreation World, and Maria Grygorovych, artistic director at Gamescom. They’re a husband-and-wife workforce, working considered one of Ukraine’s greatest and finest identified recreation corporations with 460 workers. But they’re simply an indie recreation studio. They unfold out into new areas equivalent to Poland and Prague and elsewhere, with some working distant.

Ievgen’s brother Sergiy began GSC Recreation World in 1995 as an organization that localized video games to the Russian market. It went on to create the Cossacks collection of video games, and it started creating and publishing its personal in addition to third-party video games. Ievgen joined the corporate in 2001.

S.T.A.L.Ok.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl got here out in 2007 and it was a hit as a first-person shooter. It mixed concepts from the novel Roadside Picnic with the true world catastrophe of the Chornobyl nuclear meltdown, positing that this created a Zone the place hunters often called Stalkers might go to seek out anomalous treasures. However they ran the danger of working into enemies together with monsters unleashed by the radioactive contamination.

Two extra Stalker video games got here out in 2008 and 2009, however none was referred to as Stalker 2. In truth, the prior CEO, who was Ievgen’s brother, requested him to make Stalker 2 and Ievgen stated no as a result of he didn’t suppose the workforce was able to tackle such an enormous undertaking. The corporate introduced Stalker 2 in 2012, however that workforce by no means completed and it was rebooted altogether afterward.

Ievgen finally relented. “It was a loopy enterprise determination to begin this undertaking, however we have been certain that we’d do the whole lot potential,” Ievgen Grygorovych stated in our interview.

Abandoning earlier instructions, they created a plan and constructed a brand new workforce. They labored on getting the script proper from the beginning. After six rewrites, they lastly began shifting ahead.

Even with out these exterior challenges, the sport was formidable, even for builders who had been engaged on video games for many years. The workforce began with new know-how. They got here up with a listing of duties and broke it down into tons of of hundreds of duties, Ievgen Grygorovych stated. By the top of the method, lots of their relations misplaced family members within the battle.

One Stalker 2 developer, Volodymyr Yezhov, was killed within the battle with Russia. In December 2022, he died in a battle close to Bakhmut, defending town from Russian attackers. GSC Gameworld has made quite a few donations to reason behind Ukraine and it solicits funds from guests to its web page as effectively.

Throughout all this time, they by no means thought-about shutting down the sport. They felt like a accountability towards their nation to get it executed, to place Ukraine on the map of the sport growth world. Once they noticed their countrymen and girls win medals on the Summer time Olympics, they have been proud, and so they need the nation to be happy with their work on Stalker 2 — even to the purpose of utilizing the Ukrainian model of the spelling of Chornobyl (as a substitute of the Russian Chernobyl).

It’s been a tough highway and the longest journey. With some pleasure, the Stalker 2 leaders joined an image with the Xbox European recreation dev workforce in Cologne, Germany. What’s their final lesson? In recreation growth, it’s important to actually love the method, Maria Grygorovych stated.

Right here’s an edited transcript of our interview. Disclosure: Devcom paid my the place to Cologne, the place I moderated a few panels on the Devcom developer occasion.

GamesBeat: How do you keep resilient sufficient to do that for such a very long time?

Ievgen Grygorovych: It’s a tough undertaking for us. It’s large. We began from scratch. We began with new know-how. We began earlier than the present technology of consoles appeared. We began with a principally new workforce. We had a complete lack of expertise within the transfer to consoles. We have been a PC-only recreation developer earlier than. It was a loopy enterprise determination to begin this undertaking, however we have been certain that we’d do the whole lot potential. We had plenty of expertise making video games. I’ve about 24 years making video games.

Prior to now we have been requested at totally different instances to make a Stalker 2. All of the earlier instances I refused to begin making it, as a result of it’s a really formidable undertaking. The participant expectations could be very excessive. It will be a really lengthy journey, a really onerous journey. Whenever you’re not very younger and also you perceive what that’s going to be like, the way you’d need to work and the way anxious it could be, it’s onerous to say, “Sure, I’m prepared to try this.” Whenever you’re younger and skilled you don’t know what you’ll need to undergo making this type of recreation. You’re extra prone to say sure.

The final time, we talked with Maria and we determined it was time to do it. We began from that time. It’s been an enormous a part of our lifetime. From what I can see now, it’s going to be an excellent recreation. We’re pleased with what we might obtain. We didn’t count on that we’d do it, however we did it. We’re nonetheless a bit nervous. You by no means understand how gamers are going to take your recreation. However inside me I believe that we’ve executed the whole lot potential in our state of affairs.

We’re an impartial developer. We have now plenty of limitations that different builders may not have. We have now all of the conditions related to the battle with Russia. With all these difficulties, we’ve nonetheless come thus far the place we’re close to the discharge. It’s been a protracted journey.

GamesBeat: How lengthy have you ever labored on Stalker?

Maria Grygorovych: For me it’s been since 2017.

Ievgen Grygorovych: Sure, the identical for me.

GamesBeat: The primary set of video games, the primary three video games, did you’re employed on these?

Ievgen Grygorovych: I used to be working with the corporate, however on totally different video games at that time. I hadn’t been engaged on Stalker. However we sat simply close by. I used to be within the RTS growth division, main the RTS line. I’ve been with GSC since 2001. I had labored there part-time earlier than, however 2001 is after I joined up as a full-time job.

Maria Grygorovych: I labored in cinema and TV earlier than I joined GSC. In 2016 they requested me to assist out for a few days. It’s been eight years since. I used to be a producer on some initiatives at first.

Ievgen Grygorovych: She had expertise that might assist us with video games that have been approaching launch.

GamesBeat: When you concentrate on how lengthy it’s been, do you consider it as sure levels? Altering instructions or engaged on various things. How do you clarify the time concerned?

Ievgen Grygorovych: There’s a sure diploma of uncertainty right here. After we began, we didn’t have a blueprint for creating these sorts of video games. We began by writing a brand new plot and story. At first we needed to collect the workforce that may do that undertaking. The primary huge discover was a narrative author. We discovered somebody with plenty of expertise within the growth trade in Ukraine. He has way more expertise than I do. We received began engaged on the story, and after we appeared on the first idea, we stated, “No, this isn’t Stalker 2.” We moved away from that and began once more.

In the long run it was totally rewritten about six instances. These are lengthy tales. He’s an expert. He wasn’t afraid to drop all of it and begin once more. After these six instances, we had the story we needed to inform with our recreation. We have been pleased with it. It was very detailed. The entire historical past of this world, ranging from 1960 till the sport begins. That was the place we might begin.

Then we took on constructing the world map. We knew it could be an open world, however how huge? Is it 16 sq. kilometers or 64? It was slightly loopy. We determined to do one thing greater than everybody normally does. We did eight kilometers on a aspect, 64 sq. kilometers. It has plenty of underground areas as effectively, plenty of tall buildings. There are areas above and under. General, the realm is large.

Maria Grygorovych: I don’t suppose we actually developed this recreation any greater than anybody normally does. A variety of corporations have way more expertise. They’ve their workforce constructed from the start. They’ve some huge cash. They don’t have any points with a battle occurring, something like that. And so they nonetheless work on a recreation for six or seven years. In our case, we began this recreation from scratch with a very new workforce. We had corona, battle, issues with the electrical energy. Half of our workforce has had plenty of bother with the electrical energy for the previous two years. They will’t work correctly every single day. With all these points, we’re nonetheless near launch. A variety of corporations take that a lot time with none of those points.

GamesBeat: I bear in mind Stalker 2 being introduced a very long time in the past. How lengthy has this undertaking taken?

Maria Grygorovych: There was a reset, so this has been about six years. This has a very totally different workforce, a very totally different strategy. Nothing is identical.

GamesBeat: You talked about there have been different video games, however nothing you considered Stalker 2. What did it imply to you to have one thing that might be referred to as Stalker 2?

Ievgen Grygorovych: I actually love my earlier video games. A few of them have been very profitable. Some weren’t so profitable from a participant’s perspective, however they have been profitable for us as expertise in making one thing distinctive. For me, I can say that Stalker 2 is one thing completely epic. Beforehand I had expertise with RPGs, with turn-based technique, and with a mixture of RTS and RPG. A few of these have been very totally different, very experimental initiatives. It wasn’t simply copy-paste. Stalker 2 was simpler than that in a method, as a result of we had Stalker to begin from. The brand new recreation ought to be a successor, persevering with what we had within the first recreation.

We had some foundation for the gameplay design, a blueprint for what we needed to obtain. In that sense it was simpler. However having completely new know-how, a very open world and so forth, that was an enormous problem. Making a really huge recreation sounds tough, however like several tough activity, you may break it down into smaller duties, after which it will likely be easy. You simply need to do tons of and hundreds of easy duties. It simply takes plenty of time. You need to be a really calm individual to work six years with out having a product you may share. It’s a lot simpler to do brief initiatives, the place you’ve one thing to launch after a cycle of, say, two years.

Maria Grygorovych: In recreation growth you really want to like the method. Actual satisfaction will come after these six years. It’s essential love the method that leads as much as that. You can have a few youngsters in that a lot time. If you really want to have that satisfaction straight away, you may not wish to go into recreation growth. It’s essential be a affected person individual.

Ievgen Grygorovych: I like the method of growth, fixing these duties.

Maria Grygorovych: It’s essential love and respect the folks you’re employed with, when you’re going to spend so a few years with the identical folks.

GamesBeat: I’m in a science fiction e book membership. I learn Roadside Picnic, and I used to be astonished by how totally different it was from Stalker. Do you see any resemblance to that authentic materials?

Ievgen Grygorovych: We really didn’t have a goal to make a recreation by the e book. It’s very totally different, as you say. We stay in a very new time. There’s plenty of new science fiction now. Recreation design is way more superior. We will’t simply make good science fiction. We have now to make a superb recreation. The story must drive that recreation. We weren’t aiming to make it by the e book.

GamesBeat: It looks like the Zone could be the one factor that’s nonetheless there from the e book. The concept of a particular place on the earth that’s very totally different.

Ievgen Grygorovych: The largest factor that Stalker 2 takes from the e book is the concept of those anomalies, sure. They’ve unknown origins. If you happen to haven’t examined it, you don’t understand how they work. Lots of people have died to grasp how these anomalies work within the recreation world, simply as within the e book. The concept of artifacts, objects have some unknown impact that additionally must be found. And the concept of an object you employ to seek out the anomalies.

All the pieces else is totally different. It’s a unique location, about 100 kilometers away from our dwelling in Kyiv. It’s an actual place, and it’s an enormous catastrophe after the Chornobyl accident. It has plenty of connection to our private tales. I used to be born within the 12 months of the nuclear catastrophe. Our mother and father might inform by the earth shaking that one thing was occurring, however the authorities didn’t inform them something. Nonetheless, everybody might see that one thing was occurring. They determined to maneuver me and my brother away from Kyiv to a different a part of Ukraine, to Donetsk, with my grandparents. It’s very related to what occurred in our lives. Ranging from this a part of the world, it’s logical for us as Ukrainian builders.

However briefly, it’s very totally different from the e book. It’s influenced by our experiences, private experiences, and a few options from the e book. That’s the way you get the sport.

GamesBeat: The battle got here to disrupt the whole lot. What needed to change for you? What did it’s important to do to adapt as soon as that began?

Ievgen Grygorovych: The brief reply is that the whole lot modified. Nevertheless it’s totally different if you have a look at the workforce’s private lives, our private lives, how we stay, our objectives, our pursuits. For the event, it was a really onerous second. However we have been ready. We had ready the whole lot in order to not let this have an effect on, as a lot as potential, our workforce’s lives, their households’ lives. We have been prepared for evacuation earlier than the battle began, and we did it.

Maria Grygorovych: Nonetheless, it’s a very totally different life from the day earlier than the battle began. Emotionally, for everybody – everybody in Ukraine, everybody on our workforce – it’s some extent the place you perceive won’t ever be the identical once more. At some factors it’s onerous to work, emotionally. You see tragedy occurring every single day, each couple of days. It’s a common factor for missiles to hit Kyiv close to our workplace. It was actually scary to start with, and it’s nonetheless actually scary now. You’ll be able to’t adapt for moments like that.

Ievgen Grygorovych: What occurs if it drops 100 meters, 500 meters away from the goal and it hits your workplace, together with your folks there? What are you going to do at that second? It’s very anxious. We did the whole lot potential. We have now a bunker simply close to our workplace. It’s an precise bunker constructed for nuclear assault. We’ve requested everybody to go there when there are missile alarms. However nonetheless, there’s an opportunity it might occur.

Maria Grygorovych: And generally a extremely fast missile strike can occur earlier than the alarms sound. 

Ievgen Grygorovych: It may be a four-minute missile.

Maria Grygorovych: However it’s essential work, so that you simply work. It’s onerous to elucidate to somebody what it’s prefer to work like that, or what you’re feeling. A variety of our family members, folks in our households have died within the battle. It could be your brother, your mom. A few of our folks have misplaced their mother and father. After that you just go into work and get again to the sport. If you happen to’re doing one thing, it’s slightly simpler to maintain from going loopy. However on the identical time, it’s been two and a half years. It’ll be three years quickly.

For the individuals who moved to Prague, it’s not the identical as being the same old sort of immigrant, the place you resolve to go someplace that you just wish to go, and you’ll return dwelling everytime you need. It’s totally different being a refugee. It’s not your determination to go away your nation. It’s one thing you needed to do to guard your self, to guard your youngsters or your loved ones. It’s onerous.

GamesBeat: Did it’s important to cease work collectively for some period of time?

Maria Grygorovych: It was virtually two months. 

GamesBeat: Did you contemplate shifting from Kyiv, going additional west?

Maria Grygorovych: From late December 2021 we have been planning for what we’d do if an actual battle began. What workers ought to do. Russia had already attacked Ukraine in 2014, but it surely was just a few territories. Now we have been planning for a battle that may have an effect on the entire nation.

GamesBeat: Did you lose plenty of workers who enlisted or have been conscripted?

Maria Grygorovych: Sure. It’s an honor to contemplate them our mates and colleagues. None of them have been skilled troopers. They have been programmers, QA, neighborhood managers who determined, even earlier than the full-fledged invasion, that if it occurred they’d enlist. They went to the recruiting facilities on the primary day to combat for our nation.

Ievgen Grygorovych: They’re nonetheless our workers.

Maria Grygorovych: After our victory, I hope they’ll come again and maintain working.

GamesBeat: Have any of them been in a position to come again but?

Ievgen Grygorovych: No, they’re nonetheless preventing. There’s virtually no solution to cease for now.

GamesBeat: Did you ever take into consideration stopping the sport, shutting down the undertaking?

Maria Grygorovych: No, that was by no means an choice. It was only a matter of taking a look at every concern and determining resolve it.

Ievgen Grygorovych: It is a onerous undertaking, but it surely’s a weapon towards Russia. When Ukrainians could make one thing so huge, so identified to the world, it’s a solution to combat on the inventive entrance. We’re not risking our lives, however we’re doing one thing to separate Ukraine from Russia, to spotlight Ukraine. These are various things. We’re speaking about what’s occurring in our nation. We received’t let the remainder of the world overlook concerning the battle. It’s nonetheless occurring. If we fail, it’s going to be unhealthy for everybody who lives in western Europe and the remainder of the world. We’re maintaining Russia out of regular life in Europe. We’re doing it by highlighting the battle with what we do, with our interviews, with no matter methods we’ve.

GamesBeat: If you happen to stopped work in Ukraine, Ukraine would turn out to be weaker. By persevering with this work, it looks like you may assist maintain Ukraine sturdy

Ievgen Grygorovych: Like our sportsmen successful medals on the Olympics. They’re additionally preventing for our nation otherwise, utilizing the strengths they’ve.

Maria Grygorovych: Whenever you do one thing with plenty of love and soul–our dream is that lots of people will love this recreation. They’ll perceive that we exist. Ukraine exists. Ukraine can create these items, deliver life to nice video games. Like CD Projekt has executed for Poland. Lots of people around the globe know of Poland due to CD Projekt. 

Ievgen Grygorovych: We’re bringing Ukraine to your PC display.

Maria Grygorovych: However not in an aggressive method. Throughout the recreation we’re not making an attempt to make an apparent assertion towards Russia. We wish to present like to our tradition and convey that to gamers around the globe.

GamesBeat: You’ve drawn plenty of help from gamers. Is there something significantly memorable you’ve seen?

Ievgen Grygorovych: We have now lots of people defending us. When somebody who isn’t identical to you is prepared to defend you, to talk for you – “Don’t fear that they modified the discharge date. These guys are going by way of loads.” – for me it’s a method they help us. It’s not simply individuals who would possibly purchase our recreation when it releases. They’re preventing for us. That’s been necessary to me.

Maria Grygorovych: I’ve seen folks publish some humorous memes. “A developer declares that they’re going to be late due to the coronavirus. Stalker builders: ‘Maintain my beer.’”

GamesBeat: As you come towards the end line, what are some stuff you’re nonetheless engaged on? Is there a unique feeling now that a number of the most tough work is behind you?

Ievgen Grygorovych: There’s going to be an enormous sigh of reduction after the discharge. However earlier than that, it’s nonetheless onerous. At this level I can say that plenty of the gamers who’ve performed the sport like it. We have now that proof that we put collectively a superb design and did good work. It’s a lot simpler to complete the sport when you understand that you just’ve reached a superb environment and a superb problem for the gamers. It’s a lot simpler to complete a recreation like this when you get it to gamers and so they can take a look at it and let you know what’s good.

GamesBeat: Are you on the level the place you’re getting plenty of suggestions from testing?

Ievgen Grygorovych: We nonetheless don’t have it within the arms of the entire viewers. It’s exterior QA, QC, folks at our writer. However they agree on plenty of issues. We all know that there can be at the least some individuals who suppose the identical method.

Maria Grygorovych: Typically, as a developer, you will get within the mindset that it’s actually unhealthy, it’s a catastrophe, there’s no method you may present it to anybody. Then somebody performs it and says, “It’s so cool!” Possibly it’s good in spite of everything? I don’t know many different builders, however inside our firm we all the time wish to do increasingly more. We’ll undoubtedly maintain working after the discharge to maintain working towards what we wish to do. We’ve constructed a universe. There’s not likely some extent the place you may say you’re executed and that’s all. We will maintain bringing extra into this world.

Ievgen Grygorovych: We have now plenty of concepts for issues we needed to do in Stalker 2 that we determined ought to wait till after launch. We nonetheless have plenty of issues we wish to add to the sport. Launch day isn’t the purpose the place we’ll cease making the sport. It’s simply the purpose the place gamers will get it and begin giving us suggestions. We’ll begin speaking with gamers concerning the recreation design.

Maria Grygorovych: There are some options you may launch with out and it’s completely okay, however you continue to wish to do it, as a result of it’s cool.

GamesBeat: What has working with Microsoft been like?

Ievgen Grygorovych: They’ve been useful round two huge issues. One, the technical half. They devoted an skilled workforce from their know-how group to assist us with optimizing sure issues for Xbox. It’s been excellent to work with individuals who have that sort of low-level expertise. The second half is emotional help. They’ve been very supportive. They’ve proven the sport on their channels, and never simply because it’s a superb recreation, however as a result of–I really feel like they’re sympathetic to our private state of affairs, what we’re going by way of. They’ve been prepared to help us on a private stage. It’s been crucial for me. If an organization this huge believes in us and is prepared to make use of its sources to assist us, possibly we’re necessary in spite of everything.

Maria Grygorovych: It’s a uncommon state of affairs. Phil Spencer and Sarah Bond have helped us in plenty of alternative ways. It’s not simply enterprise. They’re simply good folks. Lots of people from Microsoft have helped us out from totally different factors of view, even when it wasn’t essentially straightforward for them. They love video games and so they’re good folks.

GamesBeat: How would you set followers’ expectations at this level? Is there something you needed to say to elucidate the newest delays, the place it was moved to November?

Ievgen Grygorovych: Our purpose is to make a superb recreation. We’ll do something to make that occur. Our goal is to not launch the sport in the meanwhile the place gamers count on it. Our goal is to launch the sport when it may meet gamers’ expectations. I’m not afraid to delay the discharge if it’s to perform one thing good. 

We’re undoubtedly in a tough state of affairs the place it justifies the delays. It’s onerous to elucidate to folks–you’re on a Zoom video name together with your colleagues, engaged on the design, after which the sirens go off. Half the workforce on the decision has to rise up and go to the shelters. That impacts growth. You’ll be able to’t predict what number of missiles Russia goes to launch at Kyiv. When that occurs, the alarm impacts the entire area. It’s onerous to elucidate that to somebody who hasn’t had that have. They could perceive the info, however they haven’t felt it. We will really feel it. We will justify shifting the discharge to make the sport good, as a result of we all know our state of affairs. We all know what we’re going by way of. We have now the ethical proper to delay the discharge till we make this nearly as good as we are able to. 

GamesBeat: You’ve gotten lots of people pulling for you. I believe they’ll perceive.

Maria Grygorovych: Our delays aren’t solely due to the battle. That’s necessary to level out. It’s an enormous, tough undertaking. We have now points generally that we have to repair. It’s a really advanced recreation technology-wise. We’re engaged on new platforms. Typically we have to push the discharge date simply because we’d like extra time to make things better and polish. Proper now it’s principally all the way down to bug fixing and extra bug fixing. There are expectations from the gamers on the market that we wish to meet.

Not each developer has this type of independence. Each developer want to have extra time to complete their video games. That’s a privilege not everybody on the market has. We don’t have Microsoft demanding that we launch the sport on a sure day. We have now a really heat relationship. Some folks may not count on that they’d be like that, but it surely’s fully true in our case. 

Ievgen Grygorovych: Even with out the battle we’d have delays. We have to make the sport higher. It’s coming all collectively now.

Maria Grygorovych: We’re doing this for our gamers. We’re not an enormous firm with some huge cash. Each delay, for us, it’s onerous financially. We don’t have cash coming in from different initiatives.

GamesBeat: How many individuals are engaged on the sport now?

Maria Grygorovych: It’s 460. That’s probably the most we’ve ever had. Each delay is tough, but when we do it, it’s as a result of we actually want to repair one thing or add one thing. We actually have some points that we have to resolve.

Ievgen Grygorovych: My level is, we’ve not been creating this recreation for a very long time. We’ve been creating it for a traditional period of time. However for us it’s more durable to foretell a precise launch date. Our capability will not be completely beneath our management. My level concerning the battle, it’s about our planning capabilities.

Maria Grygorovych: For instance, it’s a typical state of affairs that each night time we’ll have alarms for a complete week. Folks don’t get to sleep. We have now 240-250 folks in Ukraine. In a single week the larger half of your workforce may not have gotten any sleep.

Ievgen Grygorovych: Or the electrical energy is out throughout working hours and it’s solely on at night time. You’ve gotten one hour of overlap between time zones to have conferences. We’re not complaining. However we’re simply making an attempt to speak the info of the state of affairs.

GamesBeat: Is it true that considered one of your folks was killed within the battle?

Ievgen Grygorovych: He labored on the unique trilogy, sure. And one actor, who did voice-over and movement seize for Stalker 2. He died a number of months in the past. Possibly a 12 months? Time flows very in a different way proper now.

Maria Grygorovych: It’s a nervous factor. A variety of our folks have relations who’ve died within the battle. Our workers are on the entrance strains. Certainly one of my greatest fears is that sooner or later it will likely be somebody shut. Folks die every single day. You by no means know.

GamesBeat: Nicely, I look ahead to taking part in the sport.

Ievgen Grygorovych: We’re ready for the second we are able to deliver it to gamers. 

Maria Grygorovych: I’m hoping for it. I would like some level of satisfaction. It’s executed! And we’ll maintain going after that. However we’re very drained.

Ievgen Grygorovych: I’m sorry that a lot of this has been detrimental.

Maria Grygorovych: It looks like we’ve talked extra about battle than concerning the recreation.

GamesBeat: It’s actual life. It’s a real story. It’s good to listen to it.